Comments on Eclipsetacy: To SVN or Not to SVN? That is the Question...

Svn is really amazing and so is WTP. But the one g...

2009-03-02T02:12:00.000-05:00

Svn is really amazing and so is WTP. But the one gripe/warning i think svn newbies should heed to is to be uber careful before using svn remove.

Call me an idiot, but i believe that a versioning system should recognize that the operating system shell provides an "rm" or "remove' command should a user want to "delete" his local file. Svn remove will tell you that you must use --force to

Sod the costs! Sometimes we need dictatorship to ...

2006-12-28T19:37:00.000-05:00

Sod the costs!

Sometimes we need dictatorship to take us into the future and all this playing around with ideas is nonsense.

To the future comrades. Choose SVN!

Having been a former IBMer, I know why they don't ...

2006-12-24T11:31:00.000-05:00

Having been a former IBMer, I know why they don't like people using random open source software. It all has to do with IP cleanliness. Eclipse offers certain guarantees that software downloaded from Eclipse has been checked and that putting it on an employees machine will not "pollute" their environment. It's a bit twisted since the conjecture is that having open source software on you machine

To echo the previous comment, it would also not ma...

2006-12-24T07:32:00.000-05:00

To echo the previous comment, it would also not make sense for an employer to be OK with you using Subversion (which comes from tigris) but not Subclipse (because it comes from tigris).

I am the Subclipse project lead, and a Subversion committer and I have another Subversion committer that works with me. Why would one be OK but the other not?

Are there seriously employers that are progressive...

2006-12-23T22:27:00.000-05:00

Are there seriously employers that are progressive enough to pay people to contribute to open source projects like Eclipse, while at the same time preventing these ace programmers from using Subversion? I'm not buying it. In my experience companies that are so restrictive as to prevent you from installing open source tools are probably not going to be contributing back to open source projects in

Ironically Joel Spolsky did switch his source cont...

2006-12-23T08:54:00.000-05:00

Ironically Joel Spolsky did switch his source control over to SVN, so that was an odd argument to toss in there.

I have started a blog on Subversion and Subclipse, partly motivated to help people decide whether to make the switch. I have a couple of posts about the move/rename issue. See: http://markphip.blogspot.com/.

I agree

I agree, Eclipse teams probably should not migrate...

2006-12-23T07:10:00.000-05:00

I agree, Eclipse teams probably should not migrate to SVN until the team tools are right next to CVS. Having to rely on Subclipse or Subversive would undermine the self-hosting aspect.

That being said, I would be wary of the "what does the customer gain" argument. Basically, any change to the dev environment that improves productivity IS a customer gain. The SVN advantages you mention

In my (limited) experience, some of the Eclipse to...

2006-12-23T06:34:00.000-05:00

In my (limited) experience, some of the Eclipse tools do not give the full benefit of what SVN is capable of. Moving files (at least, when creating patches as opposed to committing directly into a repository) doesn't seem to work, so refactoring often loses that information. It might be better if you're committing directly to a repository, but it's pretty bad (i.e. requiring you to do all your